I can not forgive sins! Thanks for being thankful for the grace God has giving us. Mental health issues is a result of sin and poor choices same position with my belief concerning IFB 48. Please read this article for more information: https://baptistdeception.com/reasons-for-not-accepting-the-kjv-as-gods-preserved-word-a-response-to-pastor-james-melton/, I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense [sic] of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be.. Also, Im not mocking Biblical beliefs. 49. I grew up in a baptist church and went elsewhere after college and I am learning how liberal other churches are and anything goes as long as the people are happy. Romans 5:8 Like I said, Im more than happy to have a discussion. Dress Standards For Christians (Pastor Tim The key is that youre not suppose to JUST sit under the teaching/preaching of anyone without reading the Bible, seeking wisdom from God, and fellow shipping with people who are interested in drawing closer to God. But if people come here to attack me and my views I will defend myself. Yes, I remember that. Jesus died for all, and if God is willing to forgive me because Jesus died for me than I will forgive another because Jesus died for them too. If you consider it worldly and almost frightening if someone brings a different version of the Bible to church, and wonder what your Pastor would say if he knew, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. For you are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthyfull of greed and self-indulgence! We believe in the reality of the person of Satan and that he and the fallen angels wage a spiritual warfare against the plan and purposes of God (John 13:2; Acts 5:3; Ephesians 6:11-12). Remember when Jesus rebuked the Pharisees? 11 The greatest among you must be a servant. You consider it a personal failure if you are not able to find a verse within ten seconds, and secretly proud if you are able to find it right away. [4][5], A split in the New IFB occurred in January 2019, after Donnie Romero, pastor at Stedfast Baptist Church-Fort Worth (SBC), resigned after it was revealed he had hired prostitutes, smoked marijuana and gambled. Anderson, Fannin and Shelley traded accusations of financial wrongdoing and running a cult. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? 22 And when you swear by heaven, you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. 21. We believe that any form of homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality, beastiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography is a sinful perversion of God's original intent for a physical relationship between a husband and wife. 33 Snakes! That was an extensive list, and sooooo true! He granted his permission to work in the Infant Ministry and Toddler, and 3-4 year old Ministry. 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. We believe that men are justified by faith alone and are accounted righteous before God only through the merit of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. operating or proceeding inconspicuously but with grave effect. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels. A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith 9. So, are you happy about that, or wanting to change? You might be an IFB if Your child has went to church there 3x a week, his whole life, but when he leaves the church, your to have nothing to do with them. 5. What a typical, legalistic comment from Jason. We recognize the ordinances of baptism by immersion in water and the Lord's Supper as a Scriptural means of testimony for local churches in this age (Matthew. Come and join. Should we stay living together with our baby in fornication? I didnt condemn other version by saying Kjv is inspired. I prefer Kjv! That apparently is what Christ would do. This list are things that are unique to the IFB. Theres a lot that is biblical in your post that we should want to do and some not biblical and therefore should abstain from practice. Abortion is murder. I dont believe the IFB church I go to has ulterior motives, but I havent been to any other church to apply that to all IFB churches. (2 Cor. Illustration by Don Pfaffe appearing in the Central Conservative Baptist Quarterly Also, we lived in a free Appartement with food stamps. Same pastor who says to his congregation I love you, we all love you here.and we will not judge you. Like I said, forgiveness doesnt mean anything other than forgiveness. And, I am genuinely sorry if any unbiblical or otherwise wrong IFB group, person or church, has hurt anyone here. Believe it or not I can find time to pray while at the same time not sending my loved ones to an abusive church. Even if you cant tithe now you can still serve in some way and later when you are able to improve your financial situation they will get your tithe. IFB people as a whole, are generally willfully ignorant people. If you believe that clapping after special music is wrong because it gives praise to the performer rather than to God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 16. (Genesis 2:24; Romans 7:2; 1 Corinthians 7:10; Ephesians 5:22-23), We believe that God expressly forbids intimate sexual activity be engaged in outside of a marriage between one man and one woman. My pastor has never taught that man can forgive sins. Im told its because when u abandon the real truth, theres hardly any hope. 26 You blind Pharisee! Baptists as a whole, are pretty terrible. Im going back to my independent baptist church where there is no compromising. If you think that the KJV is inspired, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 2. While I dont have a general opinion on this, I do believe that we should discipline our kids in the same sense that God disciplines us. No, its only announced in the powers points as a time and place. Independent Fundamental I wanted to go to church but was not able to. However, the churches are united by a number of doctrines. Baptism means that a believer is bodily immersed in water followed by being raised up The truth is, if you had sex with ANY woman before you finally decided to marry one of them, you are a divorced man. If you want a discussion ask for one. There are some things that the IFB does very well, such as fellowship. at people who raise their hands during worship music you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 34. Which is more importantthe gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? 13 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Also no one can hide hypocrisy and iniquity. Luke 8:17, Daniel 2:22, Luke 12:2. 6. 21 And when you swear by the Temple, you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. If you believe that the IFB isnt a denomination because they are Independent, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 37. We believe in the natural divisions of Scriptures as a basis for study. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. Its the inspired word of God. WebWe believe that Jesus gave Christians two ordinances: The Lords Supper and Baptism. If your church encouraged you to make your own decision about becoming baptized, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin.. They are already spelled out in the Bible. the appearance of things is more important than reality, aka, you will cover up abuse and silence victims in order to protect the name of Christ. If you pray using the KJV language I dont pray like that except when I recite the Lords Prayer because nobody talks like that anymore. We need no other human agent or spiritual mediator. Or preferring the KJV? When you finally get the blinders off let me know, we will rejoice with you. [6] Adam Fannin, the lead preacher at SBC's Jacksonville satellite campus, refused to acknowledge the authority of Jonathan Shelley, another Texas New IFB pastor who took over SBCFort Worth following Romero's resignation. We reject all cooperation with this movement. If you believe that God cant use a divorced man and pull out your Scofield Bible to show why, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 39. If your church sings Just As I Am at the end of every service We sing that song once in a while since its a good invitational song. If your child is behaving like a child but you think they are rebellious, misbehaving, mischevious, etc. Youre supposed to read the word daily, it says give us this day our daily bread. They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you. Jesus forgave me and Im going to choose to forgive others regardless if they want it. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. Believers will be caught up to be with the Lord prior to the seven years of tribulation, and at the end of the tribulation Christ will return with His saints to establish His thousand-year reign on the earth (I Thessalonians 4:13-18; Titus 2:13; I Thessalonians 1:10; Revelation 3:10; Zechariah 14:4-11; Revelation 19:11-16, 20:1-6; Psalm 89:3-4). Why do people think that I dont have time to pray for loved ones simply because I have this site up? Just please be sure that your judging is fair. I can be more specific and categorize your list of 55 things to give some examples as you asked OGrodnik to do, but it wouldnt be to diminish what you and others have experienced. Im sad to here that fellow Christians cant get along, and I will start praying for all Churchs to be revived. Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. I hope whatever poor experience you had hasnt taken you away from the faith. If you believe everything said in this article then you must not have spent much or any time in a fundamental church. If you think that the title Pastor is the synonym for the man of God this is not the case in the church I go to. Many on here were saved at a IFB church. It seems most on here have a issue with IFB churches. How will you escape the judgment of hell? The Bible gives qualifications for each office. Most people find it hard to swallow that anyone really thinks that way at all. 6 Dont waste what is holy on people who are unholy. [7], The New IFB currently lists 30 affiliated congregations on their website. Youre perfect for them because they dont want people challenging their belief system. Christ suffered and 15. There are independent Reformed/Calvinist Baptists, and independent Arminian My mother doesnt wear fancy earrings. Should I choose not to forgive after Christ has already died for him? We believe that all the redeemed, once saved are kept by God's power and are thus secure in Christ forever. Wow, nice list. Amen! Satan's eternal end is everlasting torment in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:10). Forget the past and move on to do those things that shine light to the lost, edify the saints, and glorify God. God forgave me because Jesus Christ saved me. 32. I already know where the IFB is coming from, I was indoctrinated in their dogma for 25 years. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. If it did then unsaved people wouldnt be able to forgive. Me preferring the Kjv bible and believing its the inspired word of God is not incorrect. Baptist Churches Since 1975 Are From the Ministry of a Man of Whom it Has Been Said: You are probably the most childish acting preacher Well I am a little confused. Attending all three, in my opinion, is optional. Our accountability comes through a board of directors comprised of 24 independent fundamental Baptist pastors who, in turn, were elected to serve as directors by independent fundamental Baptist pastors. Do I believe he punishes no, because Ive gone without tithing and had no awareness of punishment, but when I do tithe I find blessing of increase in physical and spiritual goods. Scofield Bible!!!! I had a pastor who was reaching out to me in the darkest part of my life, he used a broken phone as a way to get to me, he knew I could try and fix it, so he brought it to me and, rather than berating me, after I had fixed the phone he simply asked me Would it be okay if we just prayed together? and I knew, in that moment, that he actually did care about me, he didnt ask me to come to church, didnt ask for money, didnt ask for anything except for the opportunity to pray with me. Jesus will save you if you believe in your heart that he was raised from the dead and admit out loud that Jesus is your lord. Grow your faith in a less toxic environment. Landlord Cody Johnson later agreed not to evict Stedfast Baptist from the Watauga location after communicating with Stedfast's lawyer.[15][16]. 22 of the congregations are in 16 U.S. states, one in British Columbia, three are in the Philippines, two are in the Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland, and one congregation is located in the South African town of Middelburg. 2. If you believe that all Catholics are going to hell, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 35. (Genesis 2:24; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:20-32; I Corinthians 5:1; 6:9; I Thessalonians 4:l-8; Hebrews 13:4), We believe that human life begins at conception and that the unborn child is a living human being. Peace. If you believe that your health issue is the result of sin in your life, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 49. WebNo denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. THE PARABLE IS NOT A GUIDE NOR DID JESUS SAY THAT ITS A MAP ON HOW TO DEAL with a wayward child!! I prefer Kjv! Hmmmmm interesting.I will bash ifb, while I mix truth and error interesting.. Nice going Steve I am also against body piercings as well. What sorrow awaits you! 18 And you say that to swear by the altar is not binding, but to swear by the gifts on the altar is binding. I have no opinion on this I have scriptures on my walls that are from other versions. Smoking in itself is not sin but I do agree that smoking can cause teeth decay, lung cancer, breast cancer, etc. This is the same pastor who said, you can come and let us tell you how you can know how you can know for sure how you can make Heaven your home. Many churches are about the money, as is some of their pastors. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. If your not getting a lot out of your bible read I would recommend a switch to Kjv and to define any word you dont know Slow down reading and meditate on what your reading dont read as a duty each day but as a searching for fellowship each day. Back then, you had to wear your Sunday best. Growing up in a very conservative IFB church, I can personally attest to how accurate most of these were. The verses you quoted are taken out of context and dont mean what you imply them to mean. your comments are offensive, you are narrow minded. This group is for fellowship, sharing of resources, devotional thoughts, posting of sermons, news of interest, ministry ideas, missionary/church links, KJV verse photos, and general edification. I found that 10 of those apply to me and Im not even IFB. Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:1-5: Judge not, that ye be not judged. All I do is reply to comments. (Mat 22:37-40) Can you honestly say that this is of God. No, thats silly! There isn't much out there on the web. However, it wasnt Baptists that ordained him and of the IFB folks I know, they are lukewarm to the Scofield bible. Independent Fundamental Baptist or Bible-Believing Baptist) are a particularly cranky fundamentalist branch of unaffiliated Those are my concerns about the 25 topics about the Independent Fundamental Baptist beliefs. People to Be Executed", "Deported NZ pastor Logan Robertson shows no remorse for harassing 'sissy' Muslims", "Police investigating Auckland pastor who threatened homosexuals", "Advocates urge supporters to ask landlord to evict Stedfast Baptist", "North Texas church that called for execution of gay people won't be evicted", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Independent_Fundamentalist_Baptist&oldid=1142179437, Baptist denominations established in the 21st century, Anti-Islam sentiment in the United States, Organizations that oppose LGBT rights in the United States, Christian organizations established in 2017, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 28 February 2023, at 23:30. I would have rejected the advice if in my heart If didnt want the relationship anymore, but we had a kid and I needed it to work. Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 39. Such as??? And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter and unhappy so I honestly feel badly for you. But it cannot be pleasant carrying all that bitterness around with you every day. Do you realize this was written as humorous piece ? Gospel Furthering Fellowship Hypocrites! And Pastor of Bible-Believing, Fundamental, Independent. Hypocrites! Those who judge people like that WILL BE judged the same way, PERIOD. [9][10] On the weekend of the third anniversary of the shooting, the New IFB held a "Make America Straight Again" conference at an Orlando-area New IFB church. 32 Go ahead and finish what your ancestors started. BTW, tithing isnt a Biblical teaching for NT Christians. 2Co 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; You said we dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. I dont have a boarden to preform any religious works. Much to their horror, they could not find a church that had a Wednesday night service anywhere in the area. ? If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Its concept of an ecclesiastical Kingdom is not supported by Scripture. If that is the case, you might as well go out and live like hell, because you are not interested in what God says anyway. WebThe Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. Baptist beliefs Only God decides who goes to heaven and who doesnt. Ask questions if you need to and Ill be happy to explain more. A church that has tract rack I dont know what they are for but my old church has one for storing hymn books (or hymnals), pew bibles, bible study books, etc. Mind your own business. The True Church: The doctrine of a believer's church is a key belief in Baptist life. If you are really interested in finding out about my poor experiences with the IFB please read the website rather than make assumptions. Every time I got to a low point in my life, I knew that I could count on the church to be there for me. This is simply an attempt to bring some humor to the blog for the readers enjoyment. Its insidious and extremely toxic. Its my calling and my ministry. Of course these cultural attachments border on the cultic, no doubt are legalistic, and hopefully will disappear eventually as the old guard depart their bondage in this life for Glory! These are right on the money! What is the Southern Baptist Convention and what do Southern Baptists believe? A strong percentage of our funding comes through several hundred local churches who support If you think that secular music (i.e., anything other than old time gospel hymns) is sinful, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 19. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 31. God Bless. 2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. (2 Timothy 2:15), We believe the first day of the week is the Lords Day. You might be a hypocrite if you dedicate a whole website to exposing deception while using it.??? Mental health issues are just another health issue people have. 3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but dont follow their example. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. I assure you that Im living exactly how God wants me to be living and Im doing it outside of the IFB (yes it can be done LOL). If you think that you should cut your vacation short so that you can make it back in time for Sunday morning Sunday School, but think its OK that your pastor miss a Sunday or two because hes on vacation, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 5. For you are like whitewashed tombsbeautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead peoples bones and all sorts of impurity. What is a Fundamental Independent Baptist Church Forgiving someone has nothing to do with whether or not you believe that Jesus died for their sins. If you believe that using guitars in church is too liberal, yet you listen to patch the pirate who uses guitars, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 14. OMG = Oh My Goodness! Independent Fundamental Churches of America We ONLY pray to God because saints dont serve as mediators to God the Father. If you think that having a disagreement with a fellow Christian means that you are sowing discord with the brethren, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 53. I do think that you can drink but you just cant be drink which is a legalistic problem within most Independent Fundamental Baptists. I understand others dont like hearing God gave inspiration to the Kjv, but its true. My church members are filled with sin and give account to God alone. No one knew about the marriage except us. No official opinion on this though as I said we should discipline our children the same way God disciplines us 7 They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called Rabbi.. If you think that singing anything other than hymns in church is too liberal, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 15. First Works had previously been the site of protests by activists opposed to its anti-LGBTQ teachings, but police reported there was no evidence linking the protesters to the bombing. I didnt really say you can get drunk on grape juice but if I did, I might be a little confused. For which is more importantthe gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? In fact, if you're single you know what I'm talking about. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. [8], The New IFB website states that it is not a denomination and that New IFB pastors have differing views over minor theological issues. Most Christians believe everything in the Bible. They act like childern, but my church loves them because Jesus loves them. Is that what the great commission tells us to do: Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and send lost loved ones to an IFB church so that they might be saved (DHV Don Holt Version). Everyone has health issues. Saying that Baptism is not necessary for salvation but rather it is an obedience to Christ is a liberal view of baptism and is unbiblical. If you believe that the wine referred to in the Bible is nothing more than fruit of the vine (AKA grape juice), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 26. Fannin was later ejected as the lead preacher of SBC-Jax. 41. The preachers who I knew as a teenager all had real degrees in theology from acredited universities. Due to the nature of the churches being independentin their autonomy, a percentage of what is believed, practiced or condemned by Independent Baptists (or IndependentFundamental Baptists, or Bible Believing Baptists, or IndependentBible Believing Baptists, or Unaffiliated Baptists, or Unaffiliated IndependentBaptists - just to If you should cut your vacation short you should never miss church this has happened only once in my life when I went I was on my senior class trip. I have no position or opinion of this WebHeartland Baptist Bible College is unique. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Its not an Old Testament Law vs New Testament issue. Being a IFB preacher, I confess a lot of truth here. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: I want no part of it except to expose it for what it is cultish. Here are my concerns about the beliefs since I am not Independent Baptist, Southern Baptist, or part of any Baptist affiliation: The Conservative Baptist Association: "Winning the World" Very few men are qualified to be pastors using your interpretation of scripture. The lost in the world watch us Christians closer than we know. We believe that , lesbianism, bisexuality, bestiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography are perversions of God's intended purposes and therefore, sin. Was so funny reading it, one thing that struck me is if an outsider were to read it theyd be incredulous, wondering how we stuck with it for so long. The IFB are Pharisees of our day. If you (like Jason) come to this site to criticize sarcasm by hypocritically using sarcasm, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. They were not Ignorant Fungicidal Blaptists. The only sin that is not forgivable is blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. Thats The Holy Spirit speaking to me. Womens should not wear pants This is not the case at my congregation. We believe that the souls of the redeemed are, at death, absent from the body and present with the Lord, where in conscious bliss they await the first resurrection, when spirit, soul, and body are reunited to be glorified forever with the Lord (Luke 23:43; Revelation 20:4-6; II Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23, 3:21; I Thessalonians 4:16-17). We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God, became man, without ceasing to be God, having been conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary, in order that He might reveal God and redeem sinful men (John 1:1-2, 14; Luke 1:35; Isaiah 9:6; 7:14; Philippians 2:5-8; Galatians 4:4-5). 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. If you refuse to use any other Bible version than the KJV because you think its either too worldly, sinful or less accurate,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 4. 35. [14], Tarrant County, Texas preacher Dillon Awes attracted considerable controversy for advocating that "every single homosexual" in America be lined up against a wall and shot in the back of the head. God knows the names of his children and for anyone to accuse another of security in Christ is hypocrisy.
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